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Interview with Katherine Brooks – writer and director of “Loving Annabelle”

By BetteAndTinaForever

Katherine Brooks Loving Annabelle L-word.com

One of the reasons I went to the Women’s Night in Los Angeles on April 28 was to meet and talk to Katherine Brooks, the inspiring filmmaker who gave us “Loving Annabelle” and who is in the process of making another movie, “Waking Madison.”
After running around all night long, I was finally able to find a relatively quiet place to sit down and had an interview with Katherine about her movies, her projects, her challenges and her dreams.

First we talked a little about “Loving Annabelle.”

L-Word.com: What was the reason you deleted the scene near the end of the film where Simone rushes into Annabelle's arms (just before the police take her away)?

KB: I deleted it because it was…when it played alone by itself, it was a really great scene but when it was cut into the movie it was way too melodramatic. It just reeked melodrama and I just had to delete it.

L-Word.com: And what was the dialogue during this scene?

KB: Annabelle said, “What’s happening? Where are they taking you?” and Simone said, “It’s gonna be okay.”

L-Word.com: Will there be a director’s cut of the film?

KB: There won’t be a director’s cut.

L-Word.com: Although you still filmed the alternate ending and have stated that you are pleased with the existing ending, if you had the budget you wanted, would you have made it the "happy ending" instead?

KB: Well, if I would’ve had the budget, it would’ve been an entirely different ending because I would’ve had Annabelle go to her mother and reconcile their relationship, and they sort of have a reconnection; and that, the mother being a senator, makes it so that Simone doesn’t have anything happen to her. And then I would have them do the alternate ending that I have now where she’s driving off.

L-Word.com: There was the contest on MyFandoms.com, and wasn’t there one of the stories that had something to do with that scene when Annabelle went to her mother, talked to her, and her mother said that they won’t charge her but Annabelle can not see her until she’s 18.

KB: Right, right…I read that one. I think that the thing is though, that because I couldn’t explain it longer…Simone never was arrested. I mean, they just sort of took her in for questioning, you know. To me she wasn’t arrested. In my fantasy world, if they would’ve continued, she definitely wasn’t arrested.

L-Word.com: So they would just ask her questions and let her go?

KB: Yeah…especially because Annabelle was turning 18 in two weeks, so…

L-Word.com: Do you think that Mother Emaculata would take Simone back as a teacher or would let her go?

KB: No, I don’t think Mother Emaculata would take her back because I think she feels betrayed. I think she feels betrayed because I think secretly she sort of wanted that with Simone…

L-Word.com: I know…I totally got the same idea and when I found out that they were related I was like, “Huh? What’s going on?” It was like she really wanted to have something going on between them.

KB: Yeah, yeah…exactly.

L-Word.com: Okay, next question then…both you and Erin were not pleased at all with the scene on the beach. You mentioned you weren't happy with the composition. What was it that bothered you and Erin so much about the entire thing? The scene seems to flow with the film. What would you have done differently?

KB: Yes, it’s my least favorite scene. What bothered me the most about that scene was that we had no time to shoot it, and we had to ADR that whole thing. It means, none of the sound we recorded was usable, so I had to take Diane and Erin into a booth and have them watch it and do the whole scene. It was just towards the end of the shoot and it was like second to last day and we just kept having technical difficulties. We were running out of film, we could only do one or two takes…so it was just frustrating because I feel like I was on such a tight budget I couldn’t get the performances that I really needed…like when Simone breaks down in the house, I had to shoot that so quickly and it’s such an important moment so it was really frustrating, for Diane and me both.

L-Word.com: What should we read into the fact that it was a U. S. government vehicle and officials who took Simone away and not the police?

KB: Because of who Annabelle’s mother is, the senator. I mean, to me I would’ve thought that they would want to keep that very, very quiet.

L-Word.com: If the film were twenty minutes longer, what aspects of the storyline would you have explored deeper?

KB: I would’ve explored like, once they had a sexual relationship, I would’ve wanted twenty minutes more after that just to experience the emotional complexity of Simone. Also what it would’ve been like to have them still be in class together and to continue that, that would’ve been interesting.

L-Word.com: Taking that idea even further, if you had had an unlimited budget, would you have done anything differently with the film, and if so, what?

KB: If I had an unlimited budget, I would’ve shot a lot longer and I would’ve shot a longer movie. But because I only had a certain amount of time, I can only shoot a certain amount of days, which means a certain length of the script. So I would’ve elongated that, and I would’ve cast more stars around the two leads just so it could’ve been a little bit more mainstream. But you know, we didn’t have any money or I would’ve done that.

L-Word.com: Where was the money coming from in the first place?

KB: It was financed through private investors and family and friends.

L-Word.com: You put your foot down when it came to the rain machine for “Loving Annabelle.” Why was that so important?

KB: I fought for the rain machine because I really thought it would be sexy to have a sex scene where music mixed with thunder and rain drops. I just thought it would’ve been really, really sexy, and I always had it visually in my mind. And it was one scene that I refused to compromise on, especially because I don’t think that there are a lot of sexy sex scenes in lesbian movies and I really wanted to…I mean, I’ve spent half of a day just doing that scene.

L-Word.com: This was a really great scene. I really enjoyed it.

As Katherine’s new movie “Waking Madison” is slowly coming together, there were a few questions that Katherine’s fans wanted to know about it, so I had another list to ask about that upcoming project.

L-Word.com: Before I ask all those questions from fans, I want to know one thing. I went on your website and read that little synopsis you wrote about your experience three years ago when you went on that island…is all of this true or is it part of the movie involvement?

KB: I think it’s based loosely on the truth, and I sort of fabricated it and made it more into a movie. Because if it would be just as my life, I think it would be boring, so I pumped it up a little bit. But it is based on truth.

L-Word.com: So did it really happen to the island where you were?

KB: The tsunami? Yeah, yeah…I was there during the tsunami.

L-Word.com: Wow…okay, so how's the project coming? When do you begin filming?

Katherine Brooks Loving Annabelle L-word.com

KB: We start filming the first week of June and it’s coming along really well. It’s very, very stressful right now because we’re casting. The most frustrating part of making a movie is casting and financing. Those two things are very frustrating. You know, we are in the middle of casting right now. We’re shooting in five weeks so it could be one of those situations when I’m three days away from shooting and I have to sign my lead, like I had to do with Simone.

L-Word.com: You said on your blog that Evan Rachel Wood was reading for Madison, but you haven’t even talked to her or her agent about the money or anything, so did you hear from her?

KB: No, not yet. Her manager is just reading it. She hasn’t even like read it read it. She’s not committed. No one’s committed for Madison or Elizabeth yet.

L-Word.com: Is it difficult writing such dark subject matter? Is it possible for it to not mess with your head?

KB: No, I think I have to absolutely…I had to completely go nuts to write this thing, and I don’t think that the writer can…how can you write something that’s not really true? I mean, it’s kind of like actors when they act, it’s either truth or they are acting, so it’s like the writer really has to go there, so it was really difficult writing it.

L-Word.com: We hear there’s been some casting done, like Erin as Alexis? Any other casting in place? Maria Bello?

KB: Maria Bello is not doing it. Erin is playing Alexis.

L-Word.com: Can you tell a little more about Alexis because not everyone knows about it.

KB: Alexis is a suicidal mental patient in the hospital where Madison is, and then Laura Breckenridge, who was Colins, is going to play a part. She plays an overly sexual sex addict in the movie. And then my friend Olivia d’Abo is also going to be playing one of the girls.

L-Word.com: If the shooting schedule is going to start in June, when can we hope to start seeing some videos? Like video journals on your site or the videos about the shooting? And what would you looking at for a release date?

KB: We going to have three to five video blogs every week, so I’ll be on set. They’ll get to see the actors and really see the process of how it’s done. I don’t know about the release date; our goal is to obviously premiere it at Sundance, so that means we have to be finished by October.

And to finish the interview, I asked a few general questions about the movie industry and what are Katherine’s plans in the future.

L-Word.com: Do you ever see yourself doing mainstream film or is indie always going to be your path?

KB: I think that I like indies, but I’m trying to think that, if a mainstream film has a good enough story that is complex and controversial and that interests me, then I definitely want to do mainstream movies.

L-Word.com: You had stated that you don’t see yourself directing someone else’s work because you would feel like you’d have to check with them all the time. How serious are you about that? Would you be open to reading someone else’s screenplay if they really felt you were the perfect director for it?

KB: I would love to read someone else’s screenplay and I would be open to directing it if they were open to some sort of collaboration. I mean, I don’t think that a script is ever perfect, and I think it’s always changing, especially when you get on set and some writers will not budge in their writing, and I couldn’t work with a writer like that.

L-Word.com: How did you get into the industry and what suggestions do you have for someone who wants to be in production? Where is a good place to start?

KB: I started at the bottom and worked my way up. A good place to start is internship…

L-Word.com: Like at the studio?

KB: I don’t know about the studios so much but I mean, I came up through TV. But I think the best place to start is to get a digital camera, get your friends together and start shooting scenes. That’s the only way that you can really, you know…start.

L-Word.com: Did you ever expect LA to build such a large, devoted following when you were trying to get it going?

KB: I never thought that “Loving Annabelle” would be as embraced as it is. I think because I was so consumed by the fact I was going to make it, I didn’t even think what’s going to happen after I make it.

L-Word.com: What's your inspiration?

KB: My inspiration is hearing people go from the dark to the light and hearing people’s stories of struggle. It inspires me to keep writing.

L-Word.com: What made you want to be a director and be in the film industry?

KB: I wanted to be a director because I had a really, really intense childhood, and so my escape was movies. So I would close myself up in my bedroom, and I would escape into movies. So I knew that I wanted to be a part of that.

L-Word.com: Have you ever considered setting up an apprenticeship program?

KB: Yeah, I’d love to set up some sort of internship with people. I think on the next movie…this one is way, way too stressful. But I think once I have way more money in production, and I have more people to help, that I think it would be great to have some interns. Especially maybe kids that are trying to turn their lives around, like they are on the street or something…I’d love to do that.

L-Word.com: Do you have plans for another movie?

KB: Yes, I do. I have three movies that I want to make next. I’m actually going to have some other people write them, but it’s good because I’ll get sort of to oversee how it’s going. I’m going to do a horse movie, I’m going to do a female poker player movie, and I’m going to do a pirate movie, a true story about a young pirate who led a bunch of men in battle.

L-Word.com: When you win your first Oscar, who are you going to thank first?

KB: I’m going to thank everybody that tried to get in my way and stop me because they made me want it more.

L-Word.com: Are there any stories/books out there that you'd be interested in making into a movie? If so, what are they and why do you think that material speaks to you enough to translate it from page to screen?

KB: I would love, love, love to make a movie from the book “Life of Pi”. I read that when I was traveling in Thailand, and I just had so many visual ideas that I would want to do with that, so I would want to make that one.

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2007-05-15, 20:26:47 PM
From: cynthialam
Comments: In the begining of the interview, it mentioned about a scene which is near the end of the film where Simone rushes into Annabelle's arms. Is it in the DVD? I can't find it! Where can I watch this deleted scene?



2007-05-15, 20:30:03 PM
From: free_to_be
Comments: Sorry, but this movie sucked green monkey dicks. It was one of the movie's that should have been awarded the Raspberry Award for worst movie of the year. How so many dykes loved this film goes to show how starved we all are for gueer images.



2007-05-16, 06:57:32 AM
From: cynthialam
Comments: I don't find it that bad. I personally like it very much. It is realistic and touching. What makes you hate it?



2007-05-16, 09:38:12 AM
From: Jacky
Comments: I loved the movie. It took more than one watching to appreciate it. It's so easy to get sucked into what we typically expect--tons of dialog, tons of "action." This is a quiet, beautiful movie that just doesn't stop growing on me. A lot of women were bothered by the ending, but read what Katherine has to say about it--and what Erin and Diane have to say in the interview we'll be publishing soon. This isn't a "Hollywood" movie in any sense--it's far more genuine than that, including the ending.



2007-05-16, 09:59:42 AM
From: Jobadge
Comments: How can anyone use the word "Raspberry" be in the same sentence as this film title is beyond me. This film has almost everything that we could want - two brilliant actresses who were passionate about the parts they played, they believed in it, as did Katherine Brooks, it was a work of passion and it showed with every scene. The quietness and unassuming nature of this film gets me every time, there is so much unsaid, which some may not get on the first time of watching it, which is why everyone should see it more than once. The onscreen chemistry is phenomenal between Diane Gaidry and Erin Kelly, which is one of the things that makes the film what it is. The story line is believable and true to life, which was the aim, and in my opinion was achieved with bells on! Strangely, my favourite part of the film, the part where the hair on the back of my neck stand on end... when Annabelle asks Simone in the classroom 'why won't you talk to me, you haven't said a word to me in over 2 weeks...' So few words between them and yet it said so much more. And although the ending was not maybe what we wanted to see, it makes the film be what it is. We have an open ended end to interpret in whatever way we wish. But for an Indie film with a limited budget it surpassed any of my expectations. This film will take a lot of beating for me!



2007-05-16, 11:52:47 AM
From: Seahurst
Comments: What a fun interview to read!! Thanks B&TF!! It is always interesting to hear from a director how both financial and time constraints can affect the outcome of a movie. And this movie, I have to say I absolutely adored. The story was interesting...the chemistry between the Erin and Diane was as good as that of Jennifer and Laurel (and THAT is saying alot!)...and the music was what really brought it all together for me. As much as I would like to see a director's cut of the film, I would much rather have the opportunity to buy the soundtrack!! I love quiet films. Films that don't have to rely on huge special effects to keep the viewer engaged. Loving Annabelle, along with the Italian movie Bread and Tulips are two of my favorite films that touched me through the dialogue, acting, and beautiful, but understated music. Katherine Brooks is a breath of fresh air to the movie industry. She is so complex, yet her goals in film making are genuine, simple truths. Let's hope that others feel the same about her talent and that she won't have to abort or compromise any future stories she wants to share. Thanks again for bringing this interview to us!!



2007-05-16, 15:13:27 PM
From: Lushess
Comments: Great interview! Thanks to L-Word.com for sponsoring and hosting it, thanks to BetteAndTinaForever for conducting it, and obviously oodles of thanks to Kat for giving her time and for her frank, open answers. Tres cool! I was very interested to learn that Simone wasn't actually arrested - just taken in for questioning! That puts a whole different spin on the ending, and therefore the movie. Great info! I was also intrigued by Kat's answer to what she would've done with 20 more minutes. I would've loved to see Simone's development after they made love. I wonder if we could all chip in and give the LA team whatever they need to do that last 20 minutes!Anyway, great interview! Thanks again to all who made it happen!



2007-05-17, 06:49:47 AM
From: JT
Comments: I LOVED this interview - so great to hear KB's views on the ending and the not being arrested part! Her answers to this made me feel a whole lot better about it (as I find the ending gut wrenching!). I like her take on where it would go!! I also liked Diane's answer to the same question too (tease tease!) you'll find out what that is soon!Right - where do I start on this movie? What do I say that I haven't already said?! It's an AMAZING film, with fantastic chemistry between the two main leads. To portray a whole range of feelings without dialogue, takes immense talent! And Erin and Diane show in abundance that they possess this! The way they look at each other, (especially the way Simone looks at Annabelle) constantly through the film, shows you visually what they are thinking, no words are needed - this makes the film so powerful and the feelings between them SO intense! This then makes for a fabulous sex scene - (lets face it, lots of lesbian films fail miserably at this part, even the good ones!!) with all those things that went unsaid, how they feel about each other and all those pent up emotions spilling over!! Fantastic!I also loved the complexity of Simone's character - made ME think alot about what SHE was thinking and what she was going through, and how she must have felt keeping it all inside. I can relate to that! It just makes me want to give her a massive hug! This just shows how well Diane portrayed these complexities, to make me feel like this!Its a shame that Katherine Brooks had to work under and within so many financial constraints - but oh what a marvellous job she still did! (ah come on, do a director's cut! Can't believe that answer was no!)And if a film is bad, then its bad whether its a lesbian film or not. Just because there are not alot of good lesbian films out there, doeesn't make me (and I'm sure lots of others) like them even if its bad.I do think this film is amazing (and it is!) and I cannot thank Katherine Brooks, Diane Gaidry and Erin Kelly enough for making it!! It truly effected me in a way that watching a film hasn't done for a long time! I'm a fan for life! Thank you!!! :)



2007-05-18, 02:38:29 AM
From: LadyL
Comments: I'm going to preface my comments by saying that I think the current upswing in gay and lesbian films is a great thing. More of us out there telling stories? Super. More gay and lesbian filmmakers taking chances? Great. Keep striving to produce thought-provoking or fun or dramatic or artsy or sweet films. Bravo. Brava. Way to go. Having said that, imo, this movie is none of those things. It's not thought-provoking or fun or dramatic or artsy or sweet, though it makes a valiant, if misguided, attempt at covering all those bases at the same time in a span of just under 80 minutes. It could have used those extra 10 minutes because the ending is missing which I will address. The result is a disappointing, choppy, dimly lit and entirely by-the-numbers hybrid of a bad soap opera, a cheesy lesbian romance novel and any number of movies set in that clichéd hot-bed of same-sex action: the all-girls' high school. The film is full of clichés. The first cliché is that Annaabelle is a rebel because she has a nose ring, wears Buddha beads and clunky boots, and has a few wild streaks of color running through her otherwise dark hair. Annabelle is immediately smitten with Simone...though I had to wonder if it was a result of boredom or just slim pickins, 'cause I wasn't sold on Simone's irresistible appeal. Long, boring story short: it becomes a case of Annabelle pursuing a reluctant Simone, complete with far too many scenes of angsty longing, pensive gazing and ridiculous transitional inserts of things like waves crashing on a beach or a gardener watering the lawn or a random lotus floating in a pool of water. The pull of attraction between the two women is strong, so it's only a matter of time before they give in...but, unfortunately, we have to sit through what feels like endless melodrama-bordering-on-camp while we wait. And, how predicable was their coupling? As predicable as taxes and death. I spent much of the film shaking my head in disbelief, both at what was happening onscreen and how it was being presented. My movie-going pal, meanwhile, was perpetually rubbing her temples which, she said afterward, was her way of trying to distract herself from what she was watching because it was that bad. I'm not exaggerating when I say that, multiple times during the film and especially at the Big Tearful Climactic Moment, the audience erupted in laughter. Laughter! This was in a theater with an audience that was, at a minimum, 75% lesbian! People twittered and chuckled and snickered throughout, but anytime the folks onscreen tried to get all heady and serious, outright guffaws echoed. The screenplay was, for the most part, a cookie-cutter assemblage of clichés, from the characters (the weird girl! the stern nun! the kindly, understanding priest! the clueless boyfriend!) to the leaden, rampantly expository dialogue and the eyeroll-inducing scenarios. Save for newcomer Kelly, who shows real promise and was easily the most talented among the cast, the performances were hollow at best. Not for a second did I believe that Gaidry's Simone was the kind of woman who would elicit numerous crushes among her straight and gay students, and her line delivery in particular was distractingly wooden. I kept waiting for Annabelle to come to her senses and hook up with one of her far more interesting and available classmates instead, but no. Annabelle as a whole was also very dark. Literally. I lost count of the number of times I was squinting to try to make out the detail onscreen, which made one sceneâ€"where a crucial note is discovered and "shown" to the audience so we can read it and understand a character's backstoryâ€"completely useless. I couldn't see a word of what was written on that paper, and neither could many other audience members. Was it a suicide note? A Dear John letter? A grocery list? I'm still not 100% sure. (Popular opinion is that it was the first of those three, btw.) Which brings me to my biggest problem with Loving Annabelle: its ending. Or, more specifically, its substitution of a cop-out-disguised-as-art for an ending. At what would, in any screenwriting class, be considered the film's second, most devastating "turning point," the film just... ends. That's it. Roll credits. What the hell??? Where's the third act? Was there a sudden loss of funding during shooting, and the ending was deemed scrap-able? "Well, we just lost $100,000, so what can we cut? The porcupine and its wrangler? Nope, too vital. The big school-dance scene? Nope, all movies like this need a school-dance scene. The pointless beach-house sequence? Nah, people like looking at pretty waterfront property. (long dramatic pause) I know! Let's just lop off the whole final third! Perfect!" Now, I consider myself a lover of film and good filmaking and I long for good filmakers who just happen to be lesibans. I'm totally in favor of risky endings, exciting story choices and movies coming to sudden conclusions much to the shock of slack-jawed audience membersâ€"in fact, I usually LOVE those. But you cannot expect me to sit through a mind-numbingly formulaic movie and then suddenly slap on an artsy-fartsy, convention-bending ending. It makes no sense and drives the final nail into the coffin of this movie's supreme lameness. So, instead of a final act for Annabelle, we're left with an abrupt fade to black and an onscreen quotation from Rainer Maria Rilke, and that's supposed to be enough. It isn't. With the serious dearth of good lesbian films out there for mass consumption, I had high hopes for Loving Annabelle. Sadly, it was a huge letdown. So no matter how desperate we are for lesbian love stories, just because you can make one, doesn't mean you should. And just because you still go ahead and make one anyway, doesn't mean I'm going to like it.



2007-05-18, 04:21:17 AM
From: JT
Comments: Cynthialam - if you are looking for that deleted scene the best place to find it is in youtube clips of LA. I'll try and find a direct link - I've favourited so many I can't remember which one its in! I'll have to look through! :)



2007-05-18, 11:02:03 AM
From: cynthialam
Comments: Wow thanks,JT. I watched LA in Hong Kong Lesbian and Gay Film Festival. And I have to say,most of the audience shared the same comment that the movie was excellent and the actresses were great,though we were dissatisfied with the ending. Well,Hong Kong people just don't like any open ending. The cinema was full on that night. :)



2007-05-18, 21:30:19 PM
From: Jacky
Comments: The Erin and Diane photos will be up in a day or so. The interview will, as well, on our other site--www.myfandoms.com. Check out the Loving Annabelle Fan Fic and Fan Vid contests we have going on over there!!



2007-05-19, 09:59:24 AM
From: JT
Comments: Cynthialam - here is a direct link for a music video that includes that deleted scene - there are lots of others (some that play that scene much slower) but this was the first one I came across with it in (like I said I favourited so many!!) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amO3fZEvkaM



2007-05-19, 10:16:24 AM
From: JT
Comments: This one! This one!! (I'm not excited or anything...lol) This is the full length one!! This woman does great vids!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctyXnWuCGk0 Please check out mine too (not as good but I'm still a beginner!) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lK36ONGekPo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hylLBUNT5PI Please rate and comment - would be very much appreciated! :)



2007-05-22, 09:05:36 AM
From: cynthialam
Comments: Awesome! Awesome! Awesome!Thanks,JT! The music videos are really amazing. And the love scene of Annabelle and Simone is still very hot to me!!



2007-05-22, 21:21:39 PM
From: Gigi88
Comments: I just adore her. I am subscribed to her blogs on Myspace and she always has the most honest blogs of anyone I have ever read. She is so inspiring.Great interview!



2007-05-30, 17:44:05 PM
From: Woolf
Comments: I like this film though I don't it's that interesting to me before I watch it. Simply cuz I'm not very into the teacher-student love subject. But I honestly like the film after watching it, I saw the desire of love from Simone and finally giving herself to it. It's sure well directed.



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